Interview with Georgian composer Natalie Beridze
Introduction by Aram Yardumian
A discussion of Georgian music in polite company usually relays between two poles: Zakaria Paliashvili and polyphonic choral singing. Little else of Georgia’s folk, classical and modern forms have been granted a visa to cross the borders. And yet, the more I move about the country, the more intrigued I become by the diversity of styles. Song and dance traditions vary between regions and even between villages. There is a lively hip-hop scene in K’ut’aisi, and the whiff of a garage band catches my ears some nights in my neighborhood here in T’bilisi. The conservatory is still a lively place. For better or for worse, the Rus-pop virus has infected the disc-players of all who own a Mercedes. And of course the unique polyphonic ensembles may be heard at nighttime events. Not bad for a country which for seventy years experienced cultural freezer-burn as a Soviet member state.
Beneath the Slavic blue-beats and the ringing panduris, somewhere in an apartment with a dim chandelier, dwells Tba — Natalie Beridze — with her heaving desktop computer and microphone. Alone in her world she creates warm, cleansing electronics. Never bombastic or self-aggrandizing, her realizations reach beyond the borders of her country in much the same way Björk reached out of Iceland in her post-Sugarcubes work. That is to say, with grace but on her own terms. Tba’s body of work, taken all together, cannot be said to bend in any particular breeze. Album to album she opens another electronic advent calendar door to herself and her glitchy world. Some tracks lean heavily on lounge pillows and there is the occasional house ding-dong, but always they are structured as songs or sound-poems, not interminable heaps of techno. And always the narrative is a circuitous search for something, a longing for something, or a questioning. Tba is not an acronym for ‘to be announced’, it is in fact a pronunciation of her initials (Tusia is the diminutive form of Natalie) and a Georgian word meaning ‘lake’ — an appropriate descriptor for music which both undulates softly and plumbs to classic work of great depth. ‘Beba Plays’, the opening track of Annulé, recalls Nancarrow. Other tracks strike the same Teuto-harmonic stones as early Kraftwerk. Her wordplay belongs on a shelf with Amirkhanian and Robert Ashley. Much more visits the textured planes where Orbital and Aphex Twin have landed their innerspace ships. Forget’fulness even contains a collaboration with Ryuchi Sakamoto, which signifies another kind of step taken. All of Tba’s music, from the dancefloor to the cerebellum, is warm and ringing, and as intimate as fingertips on your skin
Beba Plays from “Annulé”, 2005
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The range of styles on Tba’s eight albums to date have prompted some critics to describe them as collections of “odds and ends”, or “uneven and unsettling”, but I suspect a thinner and clearer thread runs through the works, uniting tracks which at first do not seem to add up. Indeed, sometimes they come off like post mortem collections of private recordings assembled by close friends. But just as when I listen to Ursula Bogner or Peter Laughner, I hear her albums (with the exceptions of Size and Tears — Alice in Wonderland, a concept album, and Stupid Rotation, a straight dance album) as the audio diaries of a light soul in a dark world, emotional peregrinations in a city and country where things have all her life been highly unpredictable. For all of Georgia’s indigenous sound, Tba’s albums display hardly a parochial sensibility, and yet as I prowl T’bilisi at night with Tba in my ears I can’t help but feel the city in her warm and empathetic, yet guarded, even impenetrable generosity.
Aram Yardumian: I don’t find much in the way of traditional Georgian motifs and imagery in your work, but (as I will write in the introduction), I do feel T’bilisi in the center, but I cannot articulate how. What do you think?
Natalie Beridze: I don’t know what to think, since I still don’t know what T’bilisi really is to me, or how to position it in my identity patchwork, as well as in my music. If you dig into the basic construction, then I’d say this place has provided this construction with a strong fundament, such as vivid, splendid, happy childhood, with a strong bond to family, friends and generally humans, as such. Nobody told me as a child: “It’s a stupid, dangerous, hellish world… but don’t let it frighten you!” and it wasn’t a lie. My parents and their parents truly believed in it. That’s a very Georgian approach — perfect naivety, incarnated into strong belief, which makes things really work. Reality is not so popular in Georgia. People believe in miracles, on large scale, in everyday life. That’s what makes this place non-European.
I think my music is a bearer of this fundament in a way. It carries some amount of reluctance towards existential problems. Or at least it leaves a little crack open at the end of the tunnel; the light that never goes out— it’s there without any reason, unconditionally— you can call it irresponsible and immature, you can call it humor. You can call it trust. You can call it the ‘fundament’.
However, on the other hand, the concreteness of this place is absent in my music. Any place is absent. I as a person need to have this sense of absence in order to be fully present somewhere — fully present in the thought, in given space, in relationship to another human being. I’m a classical type of introverted personality. I’m able to think, produce, experience genuine emotions only when I’m absent in relation to the outside world, hence present within. A place has limits. A thought where this place is present is boundless. So if I think about T’bilisi this way, it’s minimal on the surface, and more present at the bottom.
AY: I’ve already read a bit about who has influenced you, but this is according to other people. I have yet to hear it from you: who inspires you?
NB: Einstein says: “the secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources”.
In poetry & literature & movies: Marina Tsvetaeva, Joseph Brodsky, Max Voloshin, Boris Pasternak, T.S. Eliot, Dylan Thomas, Arthur Rimbaud, F.M. Dostoevsky, Nikolai Gogol, David Lynch, Dinara Asanova, Peter Jackson, etc.
I’m inspired by my husband.
I’m inspired by reading prose, written by poets.
Traveling. (Perhaps there’s no other thing that inspires me more). Atlas of the world/maps. Alps. staring at the surface of the sea, catching that inexplicable, deadly fear of the unknown and exploring through it. I’m inspired by National Geographic or BBC films about nature / animals. I’m inspired by cemeteries, by prayer, by experiencing genuine repentance and redemption. by magic of the movies and their separate stills, images of slow motion, face expressions, abstraction of sound, word structure, myths and generally by people who are myth-creators in their essence. (I love to listen to their stories and let them flow into me, inhabit and become part of the reality).
I’m inspired by the human ability to give oneself away unconditionally. The perpetuity of it all. And perfect precision in everything around. I’m inspired by modesty (an interview with Agnes Martin). I’m inspired by state of emptiness. Emptiness is a bliss. (Empty structures. empty in their substance, content — like techno music. There’s so much room for thought inside). Emptiness is unequivocally much more inspiring then fullness. Much more productive. While you’re perfectly happy, full of positive emotions, you don’t get a kick to produce, there’s no need to add anything. It’s like being in beautiful cities or nature, or in love, or drunk, or on drugs…. you’re complete within this given structure. Once there’s an imperfection, an error, emptiness, there’s a natural need to analyze it, embrace it and manifest it, incarnate into this or that — into music. Nobody is interested in how you love, it’s more or less the same everywhere. but show me your wounds and ill listen to you endlessly. You can only create with a critical spirit. …and so on, endlessly.
Hell Risers from “Pending’, 2009
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AY: Your approach strikes me as highly personal and rather (though not staunchly) apolitical. Nevertheless, how have the various conflicts and upheavals in Georgia’s history since 1991 shaped your material or role as an artist?
NB: I doubt that they have any role in me as an artist at all. It definitely has played a role on a personal level, in terms of experience — a completely different experience from the lives of teen girls living in Europe or America, in the 20th century. For example, I don’t panic and feel more prepared if and when I hear machine-gun fire or a bomb explosion; or during electric black outs and water shortages (we’ve spent several splendid winters in candle light and kerosene stove heaters in the middle of the living room. Because there were so many times when we lived on the verge, in repellent readiness to lose everything we had, I know that there are things which are important, without doubt and there are things that can be replaced. But my music bears no reflection of that period. I was a small kid back then. I remember those weird and dark times through the expressions of the faces of my grandparents and parents. I felt their pain, not mine. However I do feel heartache towards events that take place in Georgia today. I try to keep away from them (there is no other way to be dedicated to what you do), and yet I know exactly that everything that I loved and cared for in this country is being taken away from me. Bit-by-bit, with a laconic reasoning, by those who I never understood and vice versa. Their lucid dream is to make this country a Christian Dubai — a tasteless, hideous, glittering oil bunker. A place you can not become part of. A place which can only exist in a state of recollection, rather than reality.
AY: How did you get your start as a musician? How or why did you come to choose electronics as a mode of expression over traditional instruments?
NB: Probably because I don’t play any instrument. My friends, Gogi Dzozoashvili and Nika Machaidze had these big, ugly PC Windows 32 desktops and made fantastic tunes with them. I just did the same later. Back then the idea that one can communicate and actually make something on this yet unexplored device, like a computer, enchanted me. It certainly was a worthwhile decision, since I could muffle the fact that I don’t have a musical education. All i needed was some basic knowledge of Pentium and full consumption of my ears. I must say it took me very little time to understand that this was it. I had found it! I felt so rewarded and so lucky to have found what I was looking for. Even now, after almost ten years later, I have never regretted it. I think the possibility to make music is a gift, regardless if you’re successful or not.
AY: What is GosLab and what are its aims? Who belongs?
NB: It was a group of friends, who wanted to play creative games and hang out the best they could given the circumstances… it was not long after the civil war in Georgia, which was followed by another war in Abkhazia (ex part of Georgia), which left the country crumbling. It was time of fear and confusion, of electric black-outs, felony, isolation. A time of anguish and despair but nevertheless there was huge wave of commitment and eagerness to pull through. so in a sense the only way to break through was to stick together and surf on a wave different then reality. We named it GosLab for a better sense of integrity and togetherness and we had fun…nowadays there is no more need for collective effort, since there’s no more hindrance as such. So we all work separately. GosLab is now a recollection.
AY: When I walk around T’bilisi I hear the usual stuff coming out of cars and shops: pop, hip-hop, R&B, club beats, ad nauseam. But who in Georgia, besides yourself and George Dzodzuashvili are making inspired electronic music with character? Who is making musique concrète, drone, field recordings, and this kind of thing?
NB: Nika Machaidze aka Nikakoi. Actually it’s thanks to him that I do music myself. He was a pioneer of computer generated Georgian music, starting from the 90s. Now there are few more people, like Jorjik, Thoma; young collectives like Kungfu Junkies, Me and My Monkey, Okinawa Lifestyle, Stia, Misho Urushadze, Luka Nakashidze. There’s this new wave which might go somewhere. Right now it sounds like most of the Western music, but this is not so important because everything is always taken from the existing, and all is stolen. Ultimately, what’s most important is from where you take it. So i feel there’s a chance something valuable emerging here, soon. At least I see eagerness, interest, and a certain readiness.
AY: You spent nine months in the United States as a teenager. What are some of the memories that stick with you from that time?
NB: Yes, I was living with a host family in Buffalo, NY. They were from the South, had an obvious strong southern accent and a persistent racist slant, which in retrospect, they never tried to hide. I was 15 and hadn’t yet taken American History, so I had very little understanding of racism in America.
It was a very cold day, with 1.5 meter high snow. The day before we were told in the school that we were going to have a day off for Martin Luther King’s birthday, so I intended to sleep longer that morning. But my host parents woke me up, shouting that I am going to be late for the school bus. I tried to tell them that it’s Martin Luther King’s birthday, it’s a day off and that the bus is not coming to pick me up, but they refused to listen and went on shouting in denial. They were indignant and outraged. They said something like,”that guy is totally overstated, definitely not worth it and that the country should not and is not having a day off due to some fraud, etc..”
They convinced me to pack my school bag and wait for the school bus in the street, where I stood for about 30 minutes, freezing. Eventually I went back inside and told them that if they still don’t believe that the bus is not coming, then they should call the school priinciple. they never called. Instead they maintained tha bad temper throughout the day, looking at me as if I was an enemy of the state.
AY: TBC Geo Doc is an especially intriguing track. Though I needn’t understand it to appreciate its phonetic-aesthetic properties, I do understand it’s about tuberculosis. How did this track come about?
NB: Through personal experience with countless doctors and blood tests. I was 22-23, diagnosed with tuberculosis, and was under heavy antibiotics treatment. I still don’t believe I was really infected, because I felt healed once I stopped taking the medication, went to the sea and drank and smoked like hell. It’s very typical of Georgian doctors to scare shit out of you. I imagined this doctor in the track as a monster, the hybrid of an animal and an old lady, with huge glasses and huge hair — very serious, pretentious, trying to swallow me. this archetype is mostly present in my “size and tears”, or at least it was meant to be. There’s much humor and a flair of mysticism to it.
TB Geo Doc from “Annulé”, 2005
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AY: What was your reaction to Don Paterson’s paean to you? How did you learn of it? She doesn’t address this part. I might get rid of the whole question and response as well as it seems really insider? your thoughts?
NB: I laughed like hell. I laughed that I have “slavic eyebrows” and how he hated my former husband – Thomas Brinkmann, and so much more. It’s a great work, I think. And I was definitely pleasantly surprised and flattered.
AY: Have you any particular habits, rituals, and technique while composing? What is typically the process of getting a song from your imagination to the master tape/disc?
NB: I don’t really have any rituals. the ritual is probably the everyday routine of turning the computer on and starting to do something, no matter if I’m inspired to make music or not. This discipline I have gained with years of experience. It’s a fragile moment of the very beginning, with no expectation at all — you fail, you are rewarded. Most important is to get into the process, into the state of contemplation, state of complete withdrawal from reality. Once you’re there, you’re up to something. The process is something to die for, not the outcome, not the aftermath. I try but I can never fully possess it, control it. There are no tools that help you get hold of it. It’s always obscure, concealed. That’s why it’s always hard to talk about music, unless it’s been released and out there for a long time. If I understand what it is I’m doing from the very beginning, it turns out to be an invincible, boring scam. Very lonely, and never-to-be-loved. I sit by the computer and keep trying things up until the moment I catch a perfect wave. There’s always this one tune in the beginning. it’s the half of the whole. Everything else is less important. The rest flows like in a panic attack — rampantly. Usually arrangement has to be done in one flow, in couple of hours. Next step is the lyrics, which is nevertheless an important process. I grab the books, or internet with favorite poets and writers and create a patchwork. take bits and pieces from every one of them and mix those with mine. Done. Record…
Silently from “Forget’fulness”, 2011
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AY: Do you anticipate any radical changes in direction, or have any plans for the next project you can discuss?
NB: I do actually. I’d like to switch to having my music be performed by live instruments, by the orchestra. I’m going to be working on two major projects this and next year, on the soundtracks for two feature films.
AY: What, if anything, is holding you back from doing exactly what you would like to do, artistically?
NB: Probably it’s the fear of confronting the limits and being incapable to overcome and go beyond them. Other than this, I think I am lucky to be doing what I’m doing. I am genuinely thankful for that.

